Trottie: Okay, folks, welcome to the Team TaylorMade Podcast. Chris Trott, Director of Sports Marketing for TaylorMade, as usual, your host. This episode for me should be a tap in because our guest loves to talk as much as I do, so he's a podcasting legend when it comes to tour players. I can assure you that he's as good a guy as he comes across on the cameras, always sharp witted and good value. So I've had some coffee. I'm ready to tackle this. Jason Day, welcome to the Team TaylorMade Podcast.
Jason Day: I don't talk as much as you..
Trottie: Yeah, you do.
Day: You talk more than me.
Trottie: No, I do not. Mate. Fresh off a skins win in Japan-
Day: Oh, yeah, it was a big one.
Trottie: Mate, you gotta chalk it on there.
Day: Yeah, I beat Tiger, I beat Rory, and Hideki. That was nice. I was happy about it because obviously where my game was the second half of this year has been terrible. I shouldn't say it's terrible, it's right there. I feel like it's starting to turn, which is nice, but all is good. It was nice to be able to talk a little bit of trash to Tiger. I actually turned to my caddie through, I think, four holes and I said, "'Hey man, do you think I should ease up on Tiger?Trottie" And he goes, "'Yeah, maybe a little bit." Because I was going hard on him. I was just going to break him down mentally, but then I couldn't because I didn't want to look like a fool on TV.
Trottie: Skins is a tricky one. I play skins probably once a month at Goat Hill near us. Great track little muni place-
Day: Sounds good.
Trottie: It's legit.
Day: Goat Hill?
Trottie: Goat Hill.
Trottie: I walk away with nothing every week and it doesn't matter if I have three birdies in nine holes, five birdies in nine holes, nothing.
Day: Maybe it's your game.
Trottie: It definitely is my game, but what's the approach to skins? Any different?
Day: There's a lot of luck involved. There's a lot of luck and timing. I mean Tiger was saying it all day. I won three skins on the third hole and then we tied the fourth hole and then the fifth hole. I think it was something like that. I block it right in the water. He hooks it left in the bunker. Rory and Hideki block it right in the water. It's advantage him. I mean that was just perfect timing.
Long story short, we got them coming down 17. Everyone misses the green. I ended up holing a 15 footer.
Trottie: Yeah. Shock.
Day: Yeah, well, appreciate that. Rory ends up missing the putt. I win the skin and then down 18, everyone's hitting it everywhere. Tiger thinks he's in the fairway. I'm like "'No, you're in the trees. I'm down the fairway.Trottie" I end up making birdie... Tiger... I don't think you could hear it on TV, but when he hit that putt it goes and pulls up a foot short. I said, "'Way to stay aggressive.Trottie" I think they cut my mic out because I was giving him more crap about it, but it was a lot of fun in Japan. A lot of fun.
Trottie: You obviously have a great relationship with Tiger.
Trottie: You beat up on him a lot. You're always picking his brains. What's the best thing that you've got out of that relationship? How have you become so close to him?
Day: How have I become so close to him?
Day: I don't know, I just treat him like a normal person. I mean the guy is put on such a huge pedestal that I think people don't realize how to or don't know really how to act around him and he sits on the toilet the exact same way as me, hopefully. You know what I mean? So that's the way that I think about it.
Trottie: I heard you're pretty funky.
Day: Yeah, I know. But I just try and he's always been an idol of mine and I've always... We've become really close friends over the years. I live in Columbus, Ohio, so I don't really get to see him too much other than when I'm on tour, and anytime we get to catch up, we'll catch up, but yeah, going through pieces of advice, I mean it's just little things like when he, the way that he... I remember one time I think I led the WGC Bridgestone Invitational for 69 holes.
It was crazy. That's where I was playing really well. And then down 16 I hook it left behind pine trees. Dead. Make double, end up losing to DJ and he calls me and goes, "What the F are you doing hitting it there, you got 400 yards right, you can hit it up in those trees." And then I asked him, "Well, what happens if you blocked out?" He goes, "No, you can hit something the long way around and let it run out down the fairway and at least you're making par at worst." Just little things where you're just trying to get a mental edge or better course management, or when it comes to a fading or drawing a ball, or just something that you can just kind of pick up.
I remember him telling me one time that I was putting, and he's like, "Man the blade is open on left to righters you're missing it low. Just feel like you're kind of holding that blade a little bit closed through impact." It's not closed, it's just a little bit further left. It started better online instead of kind of fanning out to the right. And I started hole-ing a few more putts, which is nice. He went through the obviously the chipping yips, I went to practice at his house and he was just kind of filming my chipping action and he doesn't chip like me, but he's just obviously having a look and now he's chipping his back to where it is, he’s chipping phenomenally. And I didn't have anything to do with that, but it's just, for him to be able to come to me and film my chipping action.
That's pretty cool to have the best player in the world to ever live kind of pick my brain about chipping.
Trottie: I'm going to jump forward because it ties in nicely and we will go through this a little later.
Day: I did talk a little bit long, didn't I?
Trottie: No, no, no. Around the green this year strokes gained, you were 100th.
Day: Yeah, I was terrible.
Trottie: So what's gone off then? You’re the best player in the world-
Day: This is a perfect way to explain it. I would say the workload came down because I've had a back injury the whole year and I haven't really been able to practice as much. I mean, I've been here for two days and I've had a back injury, my back seized up yesterday. So when you have a back injury, you can't have the full workload that you're normally doing. So my practice sessions have been a lot shorter because I physically can't work and it's frustrating.
I would say that I drove it pretty good this year and I hit a lot of greens, but I didn't hit it close enough. Hence I didn't make enough birdies because I'm not hitting it close enough. And then on top of it, when I miss the greens, I just didn't get up and down. I would chip it to... My bunker game was really poor this year. I was stuck between two techniques and I got too technical out on the golf course and forgot about I need to actually get this up and down and when you get too technical with anything and you start thinking about it, that's when you start to lose confidence in it and my short game has been absolutely horrific. But saying that, it's starting to turn around now. I'm starting to look more at the hole and get back to where it is.
Trottie: You say that and then the PGA Tour, when you play the skins game, they run on the social media, "Jason Day, getting up and down out of a bunker with a six iron"-
Trottie: That goes through and through. There's a lesson to be learned there, right?
Day: Yeah, it is. Obviously you don't hit six irons out of the greenside bunkers-
Day: And you get back to the whole feel of how do I get this ball next to that hole coming out of a deep bunker without it coming out into the lip or hitting it too far and it comes back to just feeling it and trying to get it to the hole, and your sole goal is to get it close to the hole. That’s unfortunately what I didn't have this year. I was too worried about technique with my chipping, too worried about my rough chipping, too worried about my bunker game then, you mix that in with thinking about it too much, and then you lose confidence and it just wasn't quite gelling. And, on top of it, I didn't putt that great, second half of the year. I putted really good. I was number one in strokes gained putting for a long time up until the second part of the year and it just fell to bits because of you.
Trottie: Okay. Fair enough. I'm going to just take a moment and think about my response here. Are you going to be putting in a bag of six irons next year? Is that where we're going?
Day: No, no, no.
Trottie: So you come to the photo shoot and your approach at this, your role in this photo shoot, you basically are the players' emcee. You keep everyone rolling on subconsciously whether you know it or not. You're the man at these photo shoots. What do you make this year about product unveiling and seeing it and just getting insight from the boys and what they're saying.
Day: So I wasn't as much of a quarterback this time around because I’m obviously under the weather.
Trottie: Yeah, you made me do a bit more work on it.
Day: Yeah, I feel terrible and then on top of it, my back was just killing me yesterday so I was just in all sorts yesterday but can I talk about the product?
Trottie: Yeah, we're good to go. We're going to put this out after the embargo-
Trottie: ... So you can say what you want to.
Day: So SIM drivers-
Day: Right? The Max and the T, is that what you call it or no? Is it just Max and normal SIM driver?
Day: Yeah, so SIM and the Max. SIM Max. I'm gravitating more towards the Max.
Day: Tremendous technology in it. We have the twist face still and then we obviously underneath we have... What do we call that, inertia?
Trottie: Something to do with stopping the air flow, coming into-
Day: Yeah, the air flow. But then you have that weight on it. The part is
Trottie: The actual SIM part.
Day: Yeah. Yeah, yeah essentially-
Trottie: Shape in motion. Yeah.
Day: Yeah, exactly. So there are a lot of... I haven't really been working out because my back and all is up. I was comfortably hitting 120 club head speed, 180 ball speed.
Trottie: That's what everyone's been saying.
Day: It's been unbelievable.
Day: And typically I'm not like that. You know what I mean?
Trottie: So let me say this then because I'm not letting that putter comment slide. Thirteenth off the tee last year-
Trottie: You're sat in a great position-
Trottie: New driver now. You like the speed it offers. I know speed is everything for statistics.
Trottie: Where are you going to go with that testing process?
Day: Well as soon as I can get it in my hand, I'm going to test it out.
Day: I mean it has been hard to test it because usually we're just pushing the product and you can't really test it one-on-one against your old driver to your new driver.
Trottie: So for you, you need your testing environment and what does that-
Day: I need a testing environment, I need, I'll go to Palm Springs. The Vintage Club where we... David Woods let me come out there a few times and-
Trottie: Get your man Todd Chew out there with you.
Day: Pretty much. Chewy's just only two hours away. They built a new tee at the Vintage Club because I kept on bombing it over the range there. So they built a new tee.
Trottie: That's nice.
Day: We can do driver testing there, which is great.
Trottie: Yeah. But like further back now with SIM.
Day: Yeah, exactly. But Palm Springs is like a perfect... You're in a bubble. It's 75 degrees, no wind. You can go out there and actually just physically test a club and not have to worry about is there wind, or when you put the normalization on the track, it just still doesn't feel correct. So I'll be testing that out.
Trottie: Yeah. When you look at V Steel, that's come back into the lineup, you're a big fairway wood guy.
Trottie: Thoughts on that?
Day: I like... I mean, I loved the V Steel back in the day.
Day: I don't know. I can't remember what year it came out, but...
Trottie: It's got to be 10 years ago.
Day: Maybe. Maybe more.
Day: Yeah, maybe more. Love the V Steel. There's two shapes though. I don't know what it's called, but the other SIM three wood has more of a bulge and roll to it. Where as in the V Steel's kind of very...
Trottie: So will you test them both?
Day: I like the more straighter face. I don't like the bulge and roll.
Day: I don't like a lot bulge and roll.
Trottie: Yeah. So let's get back into these stats and I've thought of few ways of going through this. I want to treat it as if I'm part of the coach caddie situation here because you've touched on your emotions recently in the press about going back to some old feelings and look, let's get this pink elephant in the room and let's put it right in front of us. You're back in the Spider tour. I get it. I looked at your strokes game, putting, you're just a baller.
Day: What did I finish?
Trottie: Well take a look. You take a look. I mean you talked about 2015, 2016...
Day: 2019, putting, I finished 30th.
Trottie: Which is very-
Day: Which is absolutely terrible.
Trottie: But mate, it's legit, but I get it. It's awful for you.
Day: Yeah. So this is, if I'm looking at-
Trottie: Do you do this? Do you go through your stats from the tour-
Day: 100 percent.
Trottie: ... and this would be like... Well let's do the breakdown, you and me right now-
Day: I'm going to tell you why-
Day: I didn't play that bad.
Day: Going from the start of the year or going from the fall of last year to probably Players and through-
Trottie: Mm-hmm -
Day: Somewhere in that region. I played actually half decent, and I think I had four or five top fives. Top fives.
Trottie: So Pebble, you always do well at Pebble.
Day: Yeah I know. But if-
Trottie: I’m betting on you at Pebble.
Day: Thank you. 2019 these are the stats off the tee, 13th.
Day: In strokes gained-
Trottie: Which is awesome because if you go back to previous years, you were... I mean look, you talked about '16 being a good year, 62nd.
Day: Yeah. But that's okay. That's fine because you look at the strokes gained approach the green, I was 33rd.
Day: You know what I mean.
Trottie: One two seven this year.
Day: 13th off the tee this year. Approach the green ended 127th and this is what I'm getting back to you is that there was a stat that came out that I was the most aggressive player going at and I short sided myself the most.
Trottie: Which is why the chip ins then got hurt.
Day: Which is why the chip chipping has got hurt, around the green I'm at a 100th but then when I'm sitting there going, "Okay, I need to hit it, towards more of the middle of the green," I'm giving myself 30 to 40 footers. Then you've got to look at, okay, how many putts am I really going to hold from 30 to 40 feet?
Trottie: So big thing I want to ask now and I know you well enough to ask it caddie changes. You've had caddie changes surely that strategy, surely those boys have an impact. Flags and shots.
Day: Yeah but man it's hard because life gets in the way of golf and that's just in general, life gets in the way of whatever you do. Doesn't matter if you're a professional athlete or a professional businessmen or a stay at home mom or stay at home dad, whatever you do. Sometimes life gets in the way and sometimes motivation comes and goes. It's not as, sometimes your motivation is more one year and then it's less than next year. But on top of it, it's been frustrating for me because my back has been playing up and that plays a lot on my emotion.
When I'm hurt, it physically frustrates me, mentally frustrates me because I'm playing against the best players in the world, I mean we're doing a shoot with Rory, DJ, Matt Wolff, Morikawa, we had Rambo. When you're playing against caliber players like that, you're giving them, it's like you're playing with one arm behind your back. It's really frustrating and it just really makes me angry because I'm like, "I'm just giving them such an advantage because sometimes you can't go at it and sometimes you can't practice as hard as you should," and unfortunately just a number of things have popped off, but the good thing is, now I'm getting back to the caddy thing. My team that I've had in the past, and I've always talked about having a good team.
I lost a trainer. I really didn't have a massage guy in place. I did have one on tour, but it wasn't just like at home where it needed to be. So my team was like kind of all over the shop and I realize that, I'm like, "Okay, well what are we going to do? We've got to get a trainer, got to get a physio, a solid caddy, my coach, my agent, my wife, everyone's going to be back where I need them to.
Trottie: Columbus or Palm Springs basically.
Day: But that's the thing, everyone has to be pulling in the same direction. It starts with leadership at the top. If I could get the best team in the world, and if I don't have the right leadership skills and I'm not telling them exactly what my goals are, then everyone's going to go and do what they want to do. So you've got to get everyone in the room and say, "This is the main goal, this is what we're trying to shoot for," and then you just start to do little mini goals along the way and you're trying to better the actual company or personal team or whatever it is, and everyone's then pulling in the same direction as you, and you've got to have that passion. Everyone's got to be passionate about what they're doing to make that thing great. You know what I mean?
Trottie: Yeah. You touched on life getting in the way. You've got probably, and it's, again, it's well-publicized probably the busiest family life going. We know you're a big family guy and know that it means the world as it does to all dads out there. I mean, how do you manage- because that as the CEO of your company, you've got to manage that as well.
Day: Yeah. You have to have a healthy relationship. I know when I'm hanging out with my kids, I know Dash he needs someone to play with all the time and he'll ask me to play with him all the time. My little girl, Lucy, she's independent and she can play by herself, but I try and spread that amongst both of them and obviously Arrow is one now, but he starting to get into his personality and then on top of it you've got a wife. It can be hard but the big thing is if you have a wife that can sacrifice for you as well.
She's, Ellie's been a massive supporter of what I've been trying to accomplish and she, every time I sit there and I'm like, "You know what, my back is hurting, climbing back to number one in the world is going to be hard. I think, what do you think about retiring?" And she's like, "You haven't accomplished half of what you need to do. You need to go back out there near work and she's been great." She never gets in my way when, when it comes to working because all I have in my life is my family, my golf and that's what I try and focus on. I mean I focus on my friend but something's got to sacrifice.
Trottie: It's funny because I think you're doing a nice job marketing that because my wife, you're the only player that she asks about. She does it, I mean literally in terms of the females and in terms of this environment, literally the only guy. So I think that you're very relatable for a lot of different demographics. Golfers & non-golfers.
Day: Yeah. My big thing is to be able to tell everyone what I'm thinking honestly at the time, because I think whatever sport or whatever business, you kind of have to be guarded to a certain point, especially as a golfer or as an athlete, you kind of have to be guarded because you don't want to give anyone the edge, but I try and tell it as honestly as I possibly can just because that's just the way they've always done things.
I think people can relate to some of the things that I say and do and some people can't because obviously I'm in a different position to what they've been in, being at the top level and being number one in the world doesn't come very often. To some people they don't really understand it, but having three kids and having a wife and having a life outside of golf, people understand that a lot.
Trottie: What do you tell, you come to this photo shoot, you've got Morikawa here, we've got Maria Fassi here. We've got Wolffie here. What do you say to those guys?
Day: Well, they've just got their career started. I mean, buddy Morikawa and Wolffie, they just won this year, and this is on sponsors, invites. Maria played 11 tournament's out in the LPGA, she kept a card. I mean, that's some tremendous achievements already in such a young life. I think she's only 21 and she's going to come into her own, but it's just like you got to go to discover yourself and you kind of got to especially in the first year, the hardest thing for most people is to keep the card in the first year because you're stressing out, you want to play good and then you start thinking about, "Oh will I keep my card," then you like, because I missed I think eight cuts in a row, something like that my first year because I was panicking and you don't need to do that.
You just need to go out and just work and play, but obviously back then I didn't know that, but for them they just got to develop and you can play golf for such a long time. I mean if I want to, I can play to 50.
Trottie: And beyond now.
Day: And beyond, yeah. I started when I was 18, I mean I'm heading into my 13th season on the tour, and I feel like it's gone so fast, but careers are like this, you're going to have some lows, you’re going to have some really big lows and you're going to have some really big highs, but it's just being able to develop, as a person and as a player every year and some years you're going to be great and some years you're not going to be as good as you can be. But just knowing that you can improve and try and be better for the next time, that's all that matters.
Trottie: What do you think about the pressures on these guys now? I mean, they come out and they live a different life. Look, let's be honest. I’m a similar demographic to you in terms of age, but social media is very much present now in Wolffie's life. Morikawa's life. Maria is on there. That's different. How about that side of the job? Because you joined TaylorMade, you came by our kingdom in 2004 after you won the junior world at Torrey. That was probably your Wolffie moment. Like this photo, and Morikawa and Maria. Your rookie moment with the company was there, their rookie moment with the company now is here. Everything is recorded, everything's covered. It's all going to be documented. That's a pressure.
Day: Well, social media has changed everything. When I came out, we didn't have social media. I don't know when Facebook came out, but it wasn't like to what we have now with Instagram, Snapchat, all those other things. Content is so easily made these days, especially with a phone. I mean it takes 20 seconds to make a piece of content you can put out. I don't do any, I don't do that. I have all the social media stuff, but I've never posted anything in my life. Don't know how to, don't really want to, and if people look at my Instagram account, it doesn't really look very personal, personable, but there's some stuff on there and there's some mainly sponsored stuff, but...
Trottie: What about for these guys?
Day: Yeah, I know. Getting, getting to those guys, it's just, there is a lot of pressure on these guys, but it also depends on the person. If you look at like a Tony Finau, right? I asked him, I said, "Do you ever stress? He's like, "No, don't stress at all."
It depends on the person, but there is a lot of pressure, a lot of demand on kids these days to perform. We are making a lot of money these days. So that's why I think you don't have a person that dominates as much as a Tiger would have, but I think Wolffie, he's got a good personality for it. I think he likes the limelight. There's some people that love the limelight and some people that don't like it at all and kind of run away from it. So, that's a real indication of how they're going to handle it and I think Wolffie likes it, Morikawa likes it and Rahmbo is another young guy that absolutely loves it as well. So...
Trottie: Runs at the fire in the heat of competition, right?
Day: Yeah. I mean it's.
Trottie: How part for you as a player, then you're a veteran, you're winning let’s say you’re down the stretch with these boys. Do you then rely on the experience or do you think, oh my, here's this youngster-
Day: It doesn't, no, it doesn't matter. Really doesn't matter. I mean you rely on the experience for sure, but it honestly doesn't matter anymore because these guys are so good, but you just got to try and focus the best you can on yourself and there's obviously certain little things that you can do out there that kind of game someone, but you're trying to keep it within boundaries.
Trottie: When you would think back to ‘04 and coming to TaylorMade, what do you recall about that?
Day: Yeah, I remember I swung a six iron at 105 miles an hour.
Trottie: Even back then?
Day: Yeah back then. Well no, I can't even reach that now. I'm so old and I was crushing three irons. I mean when I put it like as all the guys, Mark King who was a CEO back then.
Trottie: I was going to say, who is there?
Day: Yeah, Mark King was there. Chuck Presto was there.
Trottie: Keithie must've been there.
Day: Keith, I think. I'm pretty sure Keith was there.
Trottie: Chewy maybe.
Day: Chewy, I'm not sure. It's Tim Hewitt, I think it was?
Day: My good buddy Kellen was there, there was a bunch of people there and it was more like a, "Hey, this is Jason Day and this is what he can do, kind of put on a show," and I absolutely flushed it. I mean I flushed it and I was swinging it hard, swinging it hard, flushing it, hitting these mid high three irons and I put on the show and the crazy thing was, is like Mark King came out and looked at and told Chuck Presto, "It's like we need to get in a room right now, sign this guy," and the funny thing was, I was with Nike the day before, obviously that's when they did hard goods. So I hit it even better at the Nike shoot and one of the guys was there, and he wasn't impressed at all. I'm like, "Oh, okay." They obviously they had Tiger back then, so, but yeah, long story short, it was a, I put on a mad show at TaylorMade and signed with them and it was a nice little a signing bonus, which was good.
Trottie: So back then you ran at the fire basically yourself.
Day: Oh yeah. You've got to, I mean, too many people get scared of failure. Just run at the thing, who cares if you fail, who gives a crap? Just go.
Trottie: What products were they? Do you even remember?
Day: R7, I think it was that.
Trottie: I mean, you're in the right-
Day: Yeah. I think it's R7.
Trottie: 500 series going to R7.
Day: It was a 500 series going to R7.
Trottie: And it would mean, it must have been crazy seeing these weights come out of the back of the club. Thinking “where are we going?”
Day: R7 quad. There we go, man, oh man unbelievable.
Trottie: I could talk to you forever and so good to be around. I love having you at these things. It's like when people ask us to talk about various products and stuff. I literally, it's a shoe in and I could literally run a podcast with you forever, but we've got speed injected questions. Maybe some people on this commute need this thing to end. We'll get into these speed injected questions. Torrey Pines or Bethpage?
Day: Torrey Pines.
Trottie: Would you rather lead the tour and strokes gained off the tee or strokes gained putting?
Trottie: The one course you could play every day for the rest of your life.
Day: Pebble on a good day.
Trottie: LeBron or Kawhi?
Day: Oh, I've got to go.. Kawhi.
Trottie: Window or aisle? It's been awhile, I would assume.
Day: No, it has not. No, I was just on a commercial flight just recently.
Day: Yeah. Coming from Japan.
Trottie: Anyone recognize you on the flight?
Day: Just my agent- I’d go aisle. I get out, man. I've got to walk around my back.
Trottie: No, I'm with you. Number of career hole in ones?
Trottie: What would you shoot lefty?
Trottie: Favorite TV Netflix show right now?
Day: Peaky Blinders.
Trottie: Oh yeah, new series out, right?
Trottie: Mallet or blade?
Day: Spider... Mallet.
Trottie: A beach or the mountains type of guy?
Day: Man. Oh, it's so hard. Beach.
Trottie: The one shot in your career you wish you could have a Mulligan on?
Day: 16 at Augusta 2013 I think it was.
Trottie: Paint the scene for me. My memory's good but-
Day: All right. Had the lead with three holes left, hit it, I was jacked up, I couldn't feel my body.
Trottie: You were so nervous.
Day: I was so nervous and I felt like I was cramping everywhere.
Day: Yeah. It was hard. So I'm like, "Nah, come on man, let's do it," and I had seven iron and hit it so far, I mean I pulled it but it went so far, and it was raining, long left made bogey, made bogey 17 and end up losing.
Trottie: What was the, how did you analyze that when you left and what's the learning from it?
Day: I was frustrated but I learned so much just to kind of slow things down. I mean just relax, hit the shot when you're ready. I mean that's such a big stage and you can't go through things quick. I mean some guys can make things look easy and quick like a Rory or DJ. I can't process information like they do quickly. So I've got to kind of go through my motions and go through the things that I need to do to hit a good shot.
Trottie: Faldo used to run the, I remember seeing something about when I was a kid about his pre shot routine and it was Mirfield when he had all those pars and he won the open and something like 18.1 seconds on the first tee shot and 18.1 seconds on the second shot into the last. Something like that. Does that have, do you try and get a routine that is to the button?
Day: No. It's hard though because sometimes you're not comfortable with a shot, so you've got to have a few more practice swings. You just don't go 18.1 and now granted his feels are different. He's very more like, "I'm going to feel this, this, this, this with my swing," and you take a Rory who's like, you know Faldo liked to put things in place with any swing whereas with Rory he's kind of more like a feel, look at the ball flight and myself, I'm mixed in between them so it just, pre-shot routines just based on how you feel because not everyone has the same.
Trottie: You've got to find what's right for you. That's the message that keeps coming out from you guys. Jase, it's great to have you on, like I say, always good to talk to you and appreciate you swinging by for the team TaylorMade podcast as always.
Day: No worries man. Good to be here.
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